For our second Benchtalks, the series dedicated to the researchers building the measurement toolkits that frontier labs hill-climb on, Snorkel AI co-founder Vincent Sunn Chen sat down with John Yang, a Stanford PhD student and creator of the SWE-bench franchise, SWE-smith, CodeClash, and most recently ProgramBench. Highlights More on ProgramBench: See the benchmark and the upcoming leaderboard at programbench.com. More from John Yang: Publications and writing at john-b-yang.github.io.